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O.K... Was Joseph Jesus' NATURAL father? It is going to take a while for me to write my answer, but I am going to prove that He was.

First of all; go to Matthew first chapter, and let's take a look at the scripture which lists Jesus' genealogy THROUGH Joseph. I have posted it here in the amplified version:

Matthew 1
1THE BOOK of the ancestry (genealogy) of Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed), the son (descendant) of David, the son (descendant) of Abraham.

2Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Aram,

4Aram the father of Aminadab, Aminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon,

5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse,

6Jesse the father of King David, King David the father of Solomon, whose mother had been the wife of Uriah,

7Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa,

8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Joram [Jehoram], Joram the father of Uzziah,

9Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,

10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah,

11And Josiah became the father of Jeconiah [also called Coniah and Jehoiachin] and his brothers about the time of the removal (deportation) to Babylon.

12After the exile to Babylon, Jeconiah became the father of Shealtiel [Salathiel], Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,

13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, Abiud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor,

14Azor the father of Sadoc, Sadoc the father of Achim, Achim the father of Eliud,

15Eliud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob,

16Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, Who is called the Christ. (the Messiah, the Anointed)

17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen, from David to the Babylonian exile (deportation) fourteen generations, from the Babylonian exile to the Christ fourteen generations.


Me: Now... the first question that I had for God was this:

If Joseph was NOT Jesus' natural father; why had He made it a point to place the lineage of Jesus, THROUGH Joseph, in the bible?

You see; according to the traditions of men [which were taught during the age of Pentecost on this subject], Joseph had NOTHING to do with the birth of Jesus [in the natural sense], and so I wanted to know why God found it necessary to chronicle Jesus' genealogy [through Joseph] in the scripture. After all... why would God find it necessary to list every "human" link in the chain of Jesus' natural ancestry, all the way from Abraham to Joseph [His natural DNA], and then break that link right at the point where it was about to prove Jesus' royal ancestry [according to the flesh]?

That would seem kind of pointless, don't you think?

I mean; think about it! Why would God go to the lengthy extremes of listing Joseph's entire human genealogy in the scripture, thus establishing that Joseph was Abraham's ancestor, AND THEN NOT EVEN USE HIS [JOSEPH'S] SEED TO PRODUCE THE PROMISED CHRIST [Jesus]? And furthermore; how could Jesus be the fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham, if He didn't even physically come from Abraham's loins?!

For one thing, God told Abraham that the Seed of Christ would come from his loins. Look at what God said to Abraham,,

Genesis 28:14
And your offspring shall be as [countless as] the dust or sand of the ground, and you shall spread abroad to the west and the east and the north and the south; and by you and your Offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed!

Me: Something doesn't sit well in that scenario! Something doesn't smell right! If what the church has taught men is true [that Joseph was NOT Jesus' natural son], then Jesus is NOT the natural son of Abraham, either [according to the flesh]. And if that is the case, then God did not keep His promise to our forefathers: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob!

No... that just doesn't make sense, and I felt the Spirit prodding me to look into the matter.

Then, about a week ago; here is what I was told by the Spirit:

"Joseph WAS Jesus' NATURAL father!"

Me: Well... you could have knocked me over with a feather! But then again, knowing God the way I do; I knew that NOTHING was impossible for Him, and that if He was able to take a sinful man like Jesus, and perfect Him into a spotless Son of God [the final sin offering for the people], then He was darn sure able to make Joseph the natural father of Jesus, and still maintain the integrity of the scripture [concerning Mary's virginity]!

It isn't like God can't do the impossible! Remember; He did the impossible with Jesus!

How?

God took a regular man [Jesus], Who was born UNDER LAW, formed in sin... and He molded, and perfected Him through trials and hardships, teaching Him obedience through suffering! Afterward, God crucified Christ's flesh, and subsequently, HE RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD! Jesus went into the world dirty, and He left it as white as snow! Folks, that is about as miraculous as it gets!

If God could do that miracle, then He can do anything!

Anyway, before I start my explanation of how I know Joseph is Jesus' natural father; I want to acknowledge that Starman told me [a few months ago], that Joseph was Jesus' natural father. Also, Bscott [Bryan, Nick's brother] had asked me what I thought about this subject. Here is what I said [I have posted this thread in blue for clarity],

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bscott30
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Question for you BB

Bill, was Jesus born from the virgin Mary? Do you think Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus? Would like your answer and some explanations.
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Bill Lancaster
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My answer

O.K.,

How are you, B?

Good to see you!

First, let me say this:

That whole story concerning Joseph, and Mary [and the birth of Jesus] was designed by God to show us some things about our own inner birth [the birth of the Christ child in us]. We, too, are seen by God as a pristine virgin when He lights upon us, and gives us the seed of His beloved son. Since the story was meant [by God] to be taken allegorically [as a picture of how He forms His son within us], then I think it's relevance as an historical document [about the natural seed of David] is not AS important to us as is the meaning about the son being formed and born in our own inner Bethlehem [means: House of bread]...

WE HAVE A DAYSTAR THAT IS APPEARING [DAWNING] IN OUR VERY OWN HEARTS!

Heh heh heh...

Now I didn't say it WASN'T important [as a literal interpretation - outer historical view]... I said it wasn't AS important as the metaphorical interpretation [inner spiritual view].

God is far more concerned with us understanding about the Christ that is being formed IN US, than he is about an historical event that happened 2,000 years ago!

It is written,

"All things were written aforetime for OUR instruction in righteousness..."

Look at this verse:

1 Corinthians 10:11
Now these things befell them by way of a FIGURE [type; allegory - as an example and warning to us]; they were written to admonish and fit us for right action by good instruction, we in whose days the ages have reached their climax (their consummation and concluding period).

So, the relevance of whether or not Mary was a "natural" virgin, when she bore Jesus [2,000 years ago], is overshadowed by the knowing of how God sees us NOW as "spiritual" virgins - when He reveals His son in us!

I wrote an article on this very subject, bud... I will find it, and bring it to the top.

Anyway... to address your question: I have seen God do tons of miraculous, literal things [supernaturally] in my own world, so I have no reason to question the scriptures that say the natural woman Mary was a virgin, when she conceived Jesus [apart from Joseph]. After all... God placed His seed [spermos] in me, and conceived Jesus within me - without the help of my natural father! I will say this, though:

God is far more pleased with us when we see the allegorical meaning of His scriptures, than He is when we see them [and interpret them] in an historical connotation!

That is what has caused all the problems in this world [up until now] - religious men interpreting spiritual passages with their carnal mentality, and beastly reasoning [applying outward interpretations to outward circumstances], instead of looking within themselves, and applying the scriptures inwardly.

So... my answer is yes - Mary was a virgin... but with the understanding that the birth that is happening within my own "Mary mind" [Mary - means: their rebellion] is far more significant, and beneficial to me in my growing up into Christ!

I have said it before:

If none of the people, stories, or places in the bible ever existed... it would all still be true, because they all exist allegorically within each one of us, and as far as God is concerned, that is all that really matters!

Hope that helps you, buddy. Your friend, bill
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Me: Well, as you can see [chicken that I am!], I did leave the subject open for further interpretation! I had also told Star [several times before that writing] that I did not see any reason to prove that Joseph was the natural father of Jesus, because I had already proved that the seed of sin had passed into His flesh through Mary [His natural mother], and since that fact had been firmly established; I saw no reason to dig any deeper, and find out whether Joseph's bloodline [of sin] had also been mingled in with hers [in Jesus]!

Sin is sin, and I ALREADY KNEW JESUS POSSESSED IT [THROUGH MARY'S BLOODLINE]!

And besides, the bible SEEMED to plainly state that Mary had not been with a man when Jesus was conceived, and therefore, I decided to leave that can of worms for some other scholar to open! I had already taken a load of persecution over my teaching that Jesus had sinned, and the last thing I needed was another debate with the religious zealots of Pentecost, over whether or not Mary had been a virgin when she conceived Jesus! I simply THOUGHT that it was not relevant enough to our inner, "allegorical" understanding of those natural, historical events, to warrant my pursuing the subject any further. After all... my original intent for looking into these matters, was only to establish whether or not Jesus possessed sin because of his bloodline, and I had already firmly established that fact through Mary's lineage.

So I put the whole subject on the "back burner"!

Hey... I stand corrected!

Joseph WAS Jesus' natural father, and I am going to prove it!

I also have been shown, by God, that there are significant reasons why we need to understand this truth. The reason is this: God uses natural "historical" events, as the means by which He shows us the meanings, and allegorical pictures of the invisible, spiritual things He is doing inside of us RIGHT NOW!

I think that something this important to our spiritual growth, needs to be properly understood in it's natural, historical context, if we are to be assured that we are applying these "Hieroglyphic word pictures" correctly, to the internal, present tense events we are experiencing inside of us! In other words... if we do not have the accurate version of the natural, historical events displayed in scripture, then the allegorical pictures those events are representing will not be accurate, either, and as a result, we will not get a clear picture of what God is doing with the "inner characters" of our body, soul, and Spirit!

Look at the next passages in Matthew 1, and I will return with my interpretation later:

18Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place under these circumstances: When His mother Mary had been promised in marriage to Joseph, before they came together, she was found to be pregnant [through the power] of the Holy Spirit.

19And her [promised] husband Joseph, being a just and upright man and not willing to expose her publicly and to shame and disgrace her, decided to repudiate and dismiss (divorce) her quietly and secretly.

20But as he was thinking this over, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, descendant of David, do not be afraid to take Mary [as] your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of (from, out of) the Holy Spirit.

21She will bear a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus [the Greek form of the Hebrew Joshua, which means Savior], for He will save His people from their sins [that is, prevent them from failing and missing the true end and scope of life, which is God].

22All this took place that it might be fulfilled which the Lord had spoken through the prophet,

23Behold, the virgin shall become pregnant and give birth to a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel--which, when translated, means, God with us.

24Then Joseph, being aroused from his sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him: he took [her to his side as] his wife.

25But he had no union with her as her husband until she had borne her firstborn Son; and he called His name Jesus.

More coming... bb

Thanks, Pete... Yes sir... this is good stuff!

No David, you're wrong... Some things can't be said in a few words... Isaiah, and Paul pretty much established that, just by the amount of words they wrote! Also, I am establishing a whole lot more than just the fact that Jesus was Joseph's natural son! I HAVE UNLOCKED TONS OF OTHER SCRIPTURAL TRUTHS WITH THIS WRITING, ALONG WITH THAT PRINCIPLE!

These words are life, my friend.

Do I care whether or not other people read them? Not really... they are bringing me life to my bones, and if the majority of the people ignore, and criticize these words, then they will just have to come into God's kingdom later on - at the WHEAT HARVEST! That is between them, and God... as for me; I will teach the Gospel, for which purpose I have been chosen...



O.K., we have concluded [thus far], that Mary had been promised in marriage to Joseph, but that before they came together, she was found to be pregnant [through the power] of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 1:18 clearly shows us that Mary was already engaged to Joseph at the time that the Spirit of Christ was conceived in her womb [through the Holy Ghost], so that proves [beyond a shadow of a doubt] that she had not yet laid with Joseph. In other words; she was still a virgin.

Now, this is the important part; let's read Matthew 1:19, 20... SLOWLY,

19And her [promised] husband Joseph, being a just and upright man and not willing to expose her publicly and to shame and disgrace her, decided to repudiate and dismiss (divorce) her quietly and secretly.
20But as he was thinking this over, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, descendant of David, do not be afraid to take Mary [as] your wife, for THAT which is conceived in her is of (from, out of) the Holy Spirit.

Me: Verse 20 is the whole shebang, guys!

Did you notice that when the angel speaks to Joseph , concerning the "Christ" in Mary's womb, that He does not refer to the child as having any gender?! Notice how the angel refers to the child:

for "THAT" which is conceived in her [Mary] is of (from, out of) the Holy Spirit.

Look! The angel refers to the Holy Seed in Mary as "THAT"! Do you want to know why the angel addressed the child in that manner?

IT IS BECAUSE THE SEED OF CHRIST DOES NOT HAVE GENDER! CHRIST'S GENDER WOULD NOT BE DETERMINED, UNTIL JESUS WAS CONCEIVED IN MARY!

Which brings us to the next part of this miraculous event!

When God revealed to me [by divine revelation] that Jesus was Joseph's natural MALE son [after the flesh], and that the Spirit of Christ [in Him] had no gender [God's offspring]; here is what the Lord said to me:

"When I lighted upon Mary, and conceived the Spirit of My Christ in her [soul], there was something else that I needed to happen inside of her: I NEEDED A COVERING TO WRAP HIM IN [INSIDE OF MARY] - I NEEDED A FLESH BODY FOR THE SPIRIT OF MY CHRIST CHILD! It is through the seed of Joseph [the BODY of the male child - Jesus] that My Christ child received it's gender, and it's name! It is written,

Hebrews 10:5
Hence, when He [Christ] entered into the world, He said, Sacrifices and offerings You have not desired, but instead, You have made ready a body for Me [to offer];

Me:That is where Joseph came into the picture, and it was through His seed [Jesus' flesh], that Christ would receive His gender, and name: Through the flesh body of the male child of Joseph - Jesus! You see, Christ had no physical body, and the flesh of Joseph's son provided that for Him!

HALLELUJAH!

God provided the Spirit Seed, and Joseph provided the natural seed - BOTH OF WHICH WERE THE DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM! Christ was Abraham's descendant through FAITH [the Christ Seed was in Abraham, as well as in Jesus' flesh], and Jesus was Abraham's descendant according to the flesh [His flesh was the physical descendant from Abraham's loins]!

Heh heh heh! God's guitar [the Christ child] needed a case [the flesh of Jesus]!

So the truth is this: BOTH GOD, AND JOSEPH PROVIDED THE SEED FOR JESUS CHRIST, BUT IT WAS THROUGH THE SEED OF GOD [ISAAC; A TYPE OF CHRIST], THAT GOD'S PROMISE WOULD BE RECKONED!

Isn't that exactly how things were during Israel's captivity in Egypt? Weren't there 2 firstborn males in that situation? Sure there were! There were the firstborn male children of Egypt, and there were the firstborn male children from Israel! Egypt's firstborn represents the flesh of Jesus [which God crucified], and the firstborn of Israel represent the Spirit of Christ, Whom God delivered from the hand of the death angel! Yes sir... there were 2 firstborn in the land of Egypt, and there were 2 firstborn in Mary[land] a few thousand years later! And just as the death angel killed the firstborn sons of Egypt [Pharaoh's house], and yet, spared Israel's firstborn, so also, did God do the same thing in Mary's body!

Now do you see how important it is for us to understand this principle?

Let's go back to Matthew 1:20

20But as he [Joseph] was thinking this over, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, descendant of David, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TAKE MARY AS YOUR WIFE, for that which is conceived in her is of (from, out of) the Holy Spirit.

Me: How many of you know what the biblical definition is for the saying "Take a wife"? Well, for those of you who don't know, that means to have "intercourse" with a woman you are betrothed to.

What does that mean?

It means that the angel of the Lord was telling Joseph that it was alright for He, and Mary to consummate their marriage!

Now... here is the neat part! Because the act of God placing His Seed within Mary was a "spiritual" consummation [there was no natural sex involved - according to the flesh], it did not take away Mary's virginity! That's right - when the angel told Joseph that He could "TAKE MARY AS HIS WIFE"; she had not been touched by the hands of men - SHE WAS STILL A VIRGIN [IN THE FLESH]! That means that legally, by the standards of God's law; God had NOT taken Joseph's wife away from Him, and since the Seed that God deposited into Mary was a spiritual One, it also meant that the Lord did not pollute her [according to the flesh], by unlawfully taking another man's wife! Furthermore, when Joseph did as the angel instructed, and took Mary for his wife [had intercourse with her], she was still a virgin [according to the flesh], which means that God was blameless of any wrong doing [according to the law]!

Hallelujah! WHAT A GOD!

So, to God, Mary had KNOWN no man [carnally], when God imparted His Seed in her, because Joseph had not yet laid with her. And what's even more amazing, is that later on, when Joseph consummated his marriage vow unto her [taking Mary as his wife], SHE HAD NOT LAID WITH ANY MAN [according to the flesh; she was still a virgin]!

Now that, my friends... is far more miraculous then the traditional interpretations of man [concerning this same subject]!

Look at the next verse in Matthew,

21She will bear a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus [the Greek form of the Hebrew Joshua, which means Savior], for He will save His people from their sins [that is, prevent them from failing and missing the true end and scope of life, which is God].

Me: O.K....

In verse 20; we heard the angel telling Joseph about the Christ Seed [God's genderless, nameless offspring], which the Father had deposited in Mary. We also heard the angel tell Joseph that it was O.K. to "Take Mary as his wife" [lay with her], because the holy "THING" inside of her was not from man, but from God.

Now, in this next passage; the angel switches gears! Now we have the angel telling Joseph what his seed would accomplish in Mary! If you will notice; the angel speaks of Joseph's seed as being of the male gender [a son], and he also tells him what the child's name will be: Jesus! This is awesome, because it established what the name and gender of the CHRIST SEED would be!

Why is that, you say? How can the name and gender of "Jesus", also be the name and gender of the Christ Seed?

That's easy; because when Joseph deposited his natural seed in Mary, the Christ child was encapsulated within that flesh seed of Jesus [inside of Mary's womb]! In essence; THEY BECAME ONE MAN - ONE NEW CREATURE! What did Jesus say in the garden?

John 17:10
All [things that are] Mine [Christ Seed] are Yours [Jesus' flesh - the Father], and all [things that are] Yours [Jesus' flesh - the Father] belong to Me; and I am glorified in (through) them. [They have done Me honor; in them My glory is achieved.]

Whispering... Hallelujah...

Next verses in Matthew 1,

22All this took place that it might be fulfilled which the Lord had spoken through the prophet,
23Behold, the virgin shall become pregnant and give birth to a Son [Jesus - male flesh], and they shall call His name Emmanuel--which, when translated, means, God with us [synonymous with "Christ"].

Me: So the birth of Jesus Christ was kind of like an "Oreo cookie" commercial:

"The kid'll eat the middle of an Oreo first [Christ] and save the chocolate cookie outside for last [Jesus]."

The inner Oreo "stuff" is pure and WHITE [the Christ child], but the chocolate cookie, which protects it on the outside, is BLACK!

Heh heh heh! Next verse,

24Then Joseph, being aroused from his sleep [spiritual death of living in sinful flesh], did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him: he took [her to his side as] his wife.

Me: This is really interesting! When the angel of the Lord speaks the Word of life to Joseph [Joseph means: Another son coming], he is awakened from his DEEP sleep! This represents how we, as the many membered sons of God, are awaking from the sleep of sinful flesh - the tomb of spiritual death. So, in effect; God is reversing the deep sleep which He caused to come upon Adam [all flesh], by placing the Seed of Christ into the soul of man! Notice also, that Joseph takes the woman [the rib] back into His side! This also reverses what happened to Adam, because when God caused the deep sleep to come upon Adam, He also removed one of His ribs, and created the woman from it! In this allegoric picture, everything is reversed! Joseph [means: God will add a son] wakes up from His sleep [resurrection], and places the woman back to His side - consummating her by intercourse [oneness]!

Now look again at the second part of verse 24 - closely,

[Joseph] did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him: He took [her to his side as] his wife.

Me: THERE IT IS, GUYS! There is the biblical account of the natural consummation between Joseph, and Mary! As I said before... when God tells a man that he can "marry" a woman, or "take a wife", that is the biblical equivalent of what nowadays, we would call "having sexual intercourse"! So, when the angel told him that it was O.K. to do so; Joseph placed His seed in Mary's womb, thus providing God an enclosure [habitation] in which He could place His son [Christ]!

Look at this account of Moses' birth in Exodus [which is a beautiful allegory of what happened inside of Mary],

Exodus 2
1NOW [Amram] a man of the house of Levi [the priestly tribe] went and took as his wife [Jochebed] a daughter of Levi.

Me: Look at Moses' parent's names! Amram backwards is MAR[ma], and JO[chebed] begins with JO!

What are the odds?

Now, when you place them beside each other, and look at them together [phoenetically], this is what they say,

"MAR [Ma = short for mother] and JO [c] HE BED!"

"Mary [Ma = mother] and Joseph [c, He beds (Mary)]"!

Then look at how they are both from the priestly tribe of Levi [just as Mary and Joseph were]. The word Levi means: Joined.

Here is the entire hieroglyphic message of this scripture:

"Mary [Ma = mother] and Joseph [see, he beds (Mary)] - JOINED!"

Awesome! Next verse in Moses' birth account [Exodus 2:2],

2And the woman [a type of Mary - a type of the soul] became pregnant [Christ] and bore a son [Jesus]; and when she saw that he was [exceedingly] beautiful, she hid him three months.
3And when she could no longer hide him, she took for him an ark or basket made of bulrushes or papyrus [making it watertight by] daubing it with bitumen and pitch. Then she put the child in it and laid it among the rushes by the brink of the river [Nile].

Me: This "basket" represents the body of Jesus [both His natural flesh, as well as our flesh], which God used as a "protective cover" for the Christ child! We, as human individuals, are the bulrushes that hide the Christ child, as well as keeping the child safe from the clutches of Pharaoh! Our flesh "body" provides the "ark" in which the Christ child is hidden [we are woven tightly together, to keep the moisture out]! The bitumen that she applied to the basket [our flesh covering, a symbol of the male son: Jesus] was BLACK TAR! Look at the Webster's dictionary definition of bitumen:

bitumen |bi_t(y)o_m_n; b_-|

noun

a black viscous mixture of hydrocarbons obtained naturally or as a residue from petroleum distillation. It is used for road surfacing and roofing.

Guys, I would say that black, nasty tar is the perfect allegorical picture for the "SIN" in man's flesh, wouldn't you? Heh heh! Even the name describes the carnal condition: BIT YOU MEN!

I know that I have been bitten by the sin-tar of my carnal flesh more than once, that's for sure! Heh heh heh!

Yep… I have been a tar-baby many a time! I've also been tarred and feathered by the House of Saul! LOL!

So the scripture that says,

"It is not I that sins, but the sin that dwells within me"...

Could actually be worded like this…

"It is not my basket that is black, nasty and sticky, but the bitumen tar that coats my basket!"

Heh heh heh!

But with that all said... Folks; it was, indeed, NECESSARY for us to have black tar [sin] rubbed all over this mortal "basket" [flesh], so that the Christ child within us could stay warm, and dry!

In short: OUR FLESH BODY IS THE COVERING FOR THE SEED OF CHRIST; OUR SINFUL FLESH IS THE VEIL THAT MUST BE RENT [of which Jesus was the natural type, and allegorical picture]! We, as human individuals, are the "swaddling clothes" which protect the Lord Christ, and the "manger" in which God placed His child [because there was no room in the inn]! That is why the Spirit of God calls us, The "LIVING STONES", which are built up together to form the temple of the living God, a holy dwelling [habitation], not made with human hands; the enclosure of the great KING [Christ]!" Or as Paul so nicely put it,

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not discern and understand that you are God's temple (His sanctuary), and that God's Spirit has His permanent dwelling in you [to be at home in you, collectively as a church and also individually]?

Hallelujah?

HALLELUJAH!

Now look at the final verse in the Matthew 1 [and it is a tricky one],

25But he [Joseph] had no union with her as her husband until she had borne her firstborn Son; and he called His name Jesus.

Me: What does this mean? It looks like the scripture is contradicting what I am saying here; doesn't it? Well; it isn't!

Look at what Paul said,

Galatians 1:15,16
But when He, Who had chosen and set me apart [even] before I was born and had called me by His grace (His undeserved favor and blessing), saw fit and was pleased to reveal (unveil, disclose) His Son within me so that I might proclaim Him among the nations as the glad tidings (Gospel), immediately I did not confer with flesh and blood [did not consult or counsel with any frail human being or communicate with anyone].

Me: You know what Paul just established? He just established that God does not look at "BIRTH" in the same way that we do! Think about it... when God tells us that we must be "Born again", does that have anything to do with our parent's natural reproductive organs, or our birth as a natural offspring?

NO! GOD IS TALKING ABOUT AN INNER BIRTH!

That is exactly why Nicodemus misunderstood Jesus, when Jesus told him that, "A MAN MUST BE BORN AGAIN!"

Nicodemus thought He meant that a man would have to enter back into his mother's womb, and be born again [by means of the flesh]! However, God was talking about an INNER BIRTH, of an INNER CHILD [Christ]!

Let me ask all of you guys a few questions:

Does a person have to be a natural female, in order to have the Christ child revealed in them?

NO! Paul was a male, and yet, God revealed His son in him!

Do our natural fathers have anything to do with the process of the Christ seed being planted in us?

No! Human ancestry is nullified by the seed of Christ! Christ enters us from within, not from outside of us [as man's seed does]!

Is my natural father going to be my father in the world to come?

NO! The bible says to call NO MAN your father, and that those who hear the Word of God, and keep it, are my true mother, and father, and sister, and brother!

Folks... I suggest that before we analyze ANYTHING about what we THINK God is saying in the scripture, we need to make sure that we understand the definitions of every word that God uses, BECAUSE THOSE DEFINITIONS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN MAN'S DEFINITIONS ARE!

RELIGIOUS MAN HAS ALWAYS TAKEN GOD'S WORD FROM A PHYSICAL STANDPOINT, AND BECAUSE OF THAT ERROR, THEY HAVE FALLEN INTO A DARK ABYSS OF IGNORANCE!

Well, in the case of Joseph and Mary, the religious order of our day has made the exact same mistake that Nicodemus did! They mistook spiritual things, as being natural things, and it has created a world of misconception, and false doctrine [when they tried to interpret the scripture]!

Look at Matthew 1:25, again,

25But he [Joseph] had no union with her as her husband until she had borne her firstborn Son; and he called His name Jesus.

Me: There is no doubt that the religious world thinks this scripture is saying that Joseph did not have natural sex with Mary, until JESUS was born into the world, BUT THAT IS NOT THE BIRTH THAT GOD IS SPEAKING OF HERE! No... God is speaking of the Christ child being birthed INSIDE of Mary! Here is what that scripture really means [when it is interpreted in the Spirit]:

Joseph did not consummate his natural marriage with Mary [he did not place His natural seed inside of her], UNTIL GOD HAD BIRTHED THE CHRIST CHILD [her firstborn] into her spiritual womb - HER SOUL! In short: Joseph did not have sex with Mary [his espoused wife], until God had birthed His Christ seed within her soul! If Joseph had gone first [before God], then Mary would have been defiled by a sinful man, and would not have been a suitable candidate to hold God's Seed [she would not have been a virgin]. But since God was NOT a man, that law did not apply to Him; so when He had placed His Seed inside of Mary's womb [before Joseph did], He did NOT take Mary's NATURAL virginity from her [according to the flesh]. THAT IS WHY GOD HAD TO PLACE HIS SEED IN MARY FIRST - HE HAD TO BIRTH HIS SON IN HER BEFORE JOSEPH LAID WITH HER! Fortunately, God's offspring is not conceived, nor is it born in the natural, outward, physical way that man's offspring is created, because the spiritual conception, and birth of Christ do not require any outward, physical, "reproductive" acts [by any human being]. No... Christ's conception and birth are an INNER conception and birth! That is why verse 18 was spoken in this way,

18Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place under these circumstances: When His mother Mary had been promised in marriage to Joseph, BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER, she was found to be pregnant [through the power] of the Holy Spirit.

Me: That's right; before Joseph and Mary CAME TOGETHER [physically made love], GOD HAD ALREADY IMPREGNATED HER [SPIRITUALLY] WITH HIS HOLY SEED [Christ]! In other words... Joseph didn't have a thing to do with the planting of God's divine Seed, because it was already planted when He and Mary came together in the flesh!

Now ask yourselves this question:

Does YOUR natural, sexual activity have anything to do with the Seed of God's Christ being formed in your soul?

No! Nada thing! And neither did it have anything to do with the impregnating of Christ in Mary! Just like us, the Spirit of God filled her soul, and impregnated her APART from any act of human flesh!

So, why then would anyone think that Mary's natural virginity should have anything to do with whether or not God's Christ child could be formed in her? Our natural virginity has nothing to do with that same Christ child being formed in us?!

Well let me tell you; God's requirement of Mary's natural virginity was important for several reasons:

[1] God knew that in the future, Mary's natural virginity would be an allegorical picture, and a pattern of the spiritual virginity that He would required of our souls. If we had not been given the allegorical pattern of Mary's NATURAL virginity to observe, then we would not have understood the necessity of God later requiring the SPIRITUAL virginity of our SOULS!

[2] If Mary had not been a virgin, when Joseph consummated his marriage with her, then the scripture would not have been valid, which stated that the Christ would come through a virgin. The scripture also states that the wife of a priest MUST be a virgin. As it is written in scripture,

Leviticus 21:13
He [the priest] shall take a wife in her virginity.

[3] If Mary would have been [physically] deflowered by God, before Joseph had married her, then God would have broken His own Word, by stealing a man's wife. But again, since God is not a man [that He should lie], and because He does not reproduce [physically] as a man does, Mary's virginity was still in tact, and the Word of the Father was too!

[4] And lastly, if Mary had been physically deflowered by God, then Joseph could not have [legally] married her, and she would not have produced an offspring for Abraham, thus, nullifying God's promise to us - his descendants!

So, in essence, Mary's virginity was not required by God, as some human effort [on her part], in order to establish her goodness [before Him]; on the contrary; her virginity was required, in order for God to be able to establish HIS OWN GOODNESS, through His promise to Abraham! Otherwise, how could we have known what happened inside of her, and the scope of the wonder of God's miraculous power in us now?! And to top it off; if God would have required the women descendants of Abraham to be virgins [down through the history of Christ's bloodline], in order those women to establish their righteousness by the goodness of their own human "effort", and their sexual "condition", then that royal line would have been disqualified long before Mary was born, because Rahab the harlot was a descendant of David! God wanted to make it abundantly clear to all generations of men who would follow, that it would be the Christ Seed IN MAN'S FLESH that would please Him, and NOT the moral condition of man's flesh!

No sir... the conception and birth of Christ are inward events, and they have nothing to do with natural virginity, or the righteousness of a natural woman!

And just for the record, in order for us to firmly establish the fact that the birth of Christ is an INWARD event, and not an OUTWARD thing; look at what Paul said, again...

Galatians 1:15,16
But when He [God], Who had chosen and set me apart [even] before I was born and had called me by His grace (His undeserved favor and blessing), saw fit and was pleased to reveal (unveil, disclose) His Son WITHIN me, so that I might proclaim Him among the nations as the glad tidings (Gospel), immediately I did not confer with flesh and blood [did not consult or counsel with any frail human being or communicate with anyone].

Me: When Paul said that God had "revealed His son in me"; did he crawl up on a table, spread his legs, and squeeze out a natural baby, folks?

NO! Paul knew that the birth of Christ had NOTHING to do with the reproductive abilities of any "frail human being"! This proves [once and for all] that the birth of God's Christ is an inner birth, and has nothing to do with natural, human child birth! And besides all that, Paul was a NATURAL MALE [in the flesh], which also proves that a person's outward human gender has nothing to do a person's ability to conceive the Christ child!

So [in a similar manner], before Mary could have a physical "UNION" [natural sexual intercourse] with Joseph, and birth a natural, human son, into the natural, physical world; she first had to have a spiritual "UNION" [spiritual intercourse] with her God, and birth the supernatural CHRIST CHILD offspring in her heavens [the womb of her soul]! That holy "thing" which God placed in her, WAS HER FIRSTBORN CHILD [not Jesus], and once it was birthed in her soul, THEN JOSEPH COULD LEGALLY PLANT HIS NATURAL SEED IN HER WOMB [JESUS], WHO WOULD THEN HOUSE GOD'S FIRSTBORN CHILD, AND GIVE "IT" A GENDER, AND A NAME: THE FIRST-BORN, MALE SON OF GOD: JESUS CHRIST!

Me: Now that we understand the true miracle of the conception of Jesus Christ [from an historic standpoint], let us look at how it applies to us today [from an allegorical, spiritual, standpoint]. It is written,

Galatians 4:6
And because you are [God's] sons [Jesus' flesh seed], God has sent the Holy Spirit of His Son [Christ Seed] into our hearts, crying, Abba (Father)! Father!

Me: So it is definitely NOT though the natural seed of our natural fathers, by which we, as God's sons [according to the flesh] will be counted as righteous before God; no, but it is through that CHRIST SEED OF FAITH, that we will be reckoned as the children of God's promise! That means that God will not hold My Spirit man responsible for the actions of my carnal man - HE SEES THEM AS 2 SEPARATE BEINGS! It is written,

Galatians 3:16
Now the promises (covenants, agreements) were decreed and made to Abraham and his Seed (his Offspring, his Heir). He [God] does not say, And to seeds (physical descendants, heirs according to the flesh), as if referring to many persons, but, And to your Seed (your Descendant, your Heir), obviously referring to one individual, Who is [none other than] Christ (the Messiah).

Me: So it is the Seed of the Spirit of Christ in all men, who is the saviour of the world, whereas, it is the flesh of all men [Jesus], that is the vehicle [case; cover; ark] by which God will accomplish this endeavor!

Praise the Lord God of Israel; Who rules the heavens [Christ] and the earth [Jesus]!


More coming...

God is a Spirit, and they who worship Him, must worship Him in Spirit, and in truth.

Christ has no gender, and He is the child of the Spirit of God. And since every being in the universe brings forth offspring after it's own kind, then it would be logical for us to assume that God has no gender either.

It is only when God puts on flesh and blood, that gender comes into the picture [becomes relevant]. It is written,

Galatians 3:28
There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Me: So the gender of the Spirit man is always determined by the condition of the flesh God's Spirit inhabits!

If the flesh is immature, and not able to love it's neighbor, then it is constituted as a "Son" in the Spirit, because that flesh is not able to produce an offspring [it is still at the child stage of development], and this "immature", spiritual "condition" manifests by showing that it is incapable of viewing others with the agape consciousness.

On the other hand, if the flesh of a person has suffered, and is approaching the point of ceasing from sin, then the Spirit of God considers that flesh dwelling a "Young man" [in Christ], because by experiencing various suffering scenarios, that flesh has learned to act kindly towards it's brother. This is that awkward "adolescent" place in Christ, where the flesh is stuck in between childhood, and full maturity.

Lastly, there is the highest order of maturity in God's Spirit, and that is the position of Fatherhood. In order for God to view one of His sons as a "Father", that flesh must suffer until it has reached the place of loving it's enemies. This is the highest place that a man can attain to, and it can only happen through intense heat being applied to us! God sees the spiritual meaning of having spiritual "offspring' as being a person's ability to love all men unconditionally, by seeing them not as flesh beings at all, but rather, as the Christ Seed WITHIN those flesh beings.

This scenario is seen vividly, in the allegorical account of Jacob wrestling with the angel of God. Jacob fought against what He though was an man [flesh], but then realized that it was not man he was warring with, but the angel of the Lord!

When he reached that new state of maturity, GOD CHANGED HIS NAME TO ISRAEL [means: Prince of God], as a witness that Jacob's nature had changed for the better!

On the feminine side of that coin; it is the soul of man which always represents the feminine side of the Spirit. And being such; God has given the soul of man a variety of feminine offices as well. For instance, when a person's soul is steeped in sin, the Spirit of God sees that soul as a "harlot". On the contrary, when a soul has been regenerated through the washing of the regeneration of the Word of Christ, God sees the condition of that soul as being a "virgin". When the soul has reached full maturity in God's Spirit, and reaches the point of finding union with flesh that has reached the state of being a "Father", then that soul is able to produce and offspring, and is considered a "mother" [by God]. This "condition can only be achieved, when a soul has been purified to the point that she will love her enemies!

Now read this segment of 1 John, and we get a whole new outlook as to what God is saying here [BY THE SPIRIT]! These are NOT natural men being referred to here:

1 John 2
12I am writing to you, little children, because for His name's sake your sins are forgiven [pardoned through His name and on account of confessing His name].
13I am writing to you, fathers, because you have come to know (recognize, be aware of, and understand) Him Who [has existed] from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have been victorious over the wicked [one]. I write to you, [j]boys (lads), because you have come to know (recognize and be aware) of the Father.
14I write to you, fathers, because you have come to know (recognize, be conscious of, and understand) Him Who [has existed] from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong and vigorous, and the Word of God is [always] abiding in you (in your hearts), and you have been victorious over the wicked one.

Little children, young men, and fathers... 3 different levels of maturity in the Spirit, which have nothing whatsoever to do with a person's PHYSICAL gender, and maturity, but instead, show a person's spiritual maturity in Christ [and it does not matter one iota whether or not that person is male or female in the flesh]!

As for being a "virgin", God does not count a natural virgin as being a virgin in the Spirit. No, God sees ANY SOUL OF MAN, WHO HAS BEEN CLEANSED BY THE WASHING OF THE WATER OF HIS WORD, AS BEING A TRUE VIRGIN - AFTER THE SPIRIT! That means that if a prostitute in the natural world, has her soul [the spiritual womb] cleansed, and purified by the Spirit fire of God, then in heaven, she is seen as a true virgin! On the other hand, if a woman is a virgin in the natural, but has not received the fire baptism of the Spirit, but still walks in the darkness of the sinful consciousness of carnal flesh, then in the heavenly realm, she is seen as a spiritual harlot [in the eyes of God]!

The same principle applies to a person's natural age and gender, also! Wisdom does not come to a man, simply because they have lived for a long time! There are young folks in the natural realm, who are ancient in the Spirit world. Likewise, natural gender is irrelevant in heaven. For instance, if God has placed the Spirit of Christ's authority in a natural woman [in the world], then to God, that woman is a priest of the Tabernacle [even though it is unlawful for a woman to hold that office in the natural world]! And as I said in an earlier part of this post; spiritual conception, and pregnancy have nothing to do with natural gender, either, as God can birth His Christ child in ANY human being, despite their natural gender! The reverse of this scenario can also be true. A woman can be pregnant with her natural child [the seed of her natural husband], and yet, still be barren in the Spirit [not having the Christ Child producing life in her soul, yet]!

This principle works in EVERY category in heaven, and earth: The natural is simply a pattern for the Spiritual! So anything that we see happening in this natural world, has a greater, more important spiritual counterpart that is happening in the heavenly realm! You see, the natural objects, processes, and events that happen in this world, are just tiny pictures, and allegorical patterns of the invisible things that God is doing in the heavens [within us]! And let me tell you, folks... it is those heavenly things that are of REAL IMPORTANCE, because this world is just a shadow of things to come, and it will soon pass away! Whether our worldly circumstances be birth or death; pregnant or barren; male or female; good or evil; night or day; morning or evening; awake or asleep; sick or well; pretty or ugly; old or young; virgin or harlot; rich or poor; king or pauper... a person's physical condition, and circumstances here in this world do not transfer into the world to come, neither do they have any bearing at all on that person's status in heaven! What we are in this world is irrelevant to what we will be in the world to come, or what we were before we came into these mortal bodies! As Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:19,

If we who are [abiding] in Christ have hope only in this life ONLY, then we are of all people most miserable and to be pitied.

Me: Now with all of that said; look at this scripture in Revelations:

Revelation 14:4
These are they who have not defiled themselves by relations with women, for they are [pure as] virgins. These are they who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These are they who have been ransomed (purchased, redeemed) from among men as the first fruits for God and the Lamb.

Me: Want to bet that God isn't talking about NATURAL VIRGINS there? Heh heh heh! How about that Lamb they are following? Is that Lamb a natural Lamb? Is the money they have been ransomed with natural money? Is the first fruits [spoken of there] a natural apple, or a natural orange? Heh heh heh!

NO!

Now do you guys realize how important it is for us to know God's definitions of words [spiritual hieroglyphics]? Shoot, if I didn't know what SPIRITUAL VIRGINITY was, and how God viewed spiritual virginity as having nothing to do with being a "virgin" in the natural realm; I WOULD THINK THAT THIS SCRIPTURE DID NOT APPLY TO ME [and that I had been excluded and defiled before God, because of my past sexual experiences in this world]!

BUT PRAISE GOD; I AM A VIRGIN IN THE ONLY WAY THAT MATTERS, AND THE VIRGINITY THAT MATTERS IS THE VIRGINITY OF THE SOUL!

So, what are the ramifications of not learning the unknown tongue of God [what are the consequences of not having all of God's spiritual definitions replace our natural human definitions]?

That's easy - WE MISUNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES!

I'd say that is pretty important ramifications!

Want to see an example of what happens when man interprets God's Word WITHOUT knowing the hieroglyphic meanings of biblical words?

Just take a look at the church world of Pentecost, or their compadres, the natural Jews [both here, and in the middle east]! Because they have misunderstood God's Word, and used their carnal mind, instead of the mind of Christ to interpret it, they actually think that God sees their genocide of the Palestinians as a justifiable action!

I'd say that gives us a pretty clear picture of how devastating it is for man not to know this hidden language of God! It is like the tower of Babel. We have come down into the earth, and confounded their language, by replacing their natural word definitions, with a new set of spiritual definitions, and it has caused confusion, and chaos in Babylon!

To the mind of man, what I am saying is foolishness, but to the mind of Christ; these Words are life [and more abundantly]!

Me: Now that is some real GOOD NEWS, huh? Hallelujah! bb